Weightlifting Technical Glitches I'm Seeing A LOT These Days: Part 1
Matt Foreman
October 28 2013
Believe it or not, I hate writing about weightlifting technique. No matter what you say, somebody is going to disagree or challenge it. Even if you write one of the most basic, universally understood ideas in weightlifting, it’ll still get second-guessed by some keyboard legend. I could write "To win weightlifting competitions, you have to lift more weight than your competitors" and some numbnuts would tell me I was wrong. This gets annoying.
But I'm gonna write about technique anyway, because I refuse to be held hostage by a bunch of toolbags.
So…about this whole "pull slowly from the floor" thing.
Most of the people I'm working with these days have already learned the OLifts somewhere else before I start with them. And I'm seeing some of the same technique problems over and over and over and over.
One of the biggest ones is a painfully slow first pull (from the floor to the knees). Many athletes seem to think that you're supposed to intentionally use a slow movement during this phase of the snatch and clean.
Wrong...wrong...wrong...wrong...
I think I understand where this mistake comes from, though. People watch videos of the Olympics and World Championships and they see the best lifters in the world. When these lifters pull their snatches and cleans, there's a change of speed after the bar passes the knees. The second phase of the pull (from the mid-thigh to the finish of the pulling movement) is almost always more accelerated and explosive than the first pull from the floor to the knees. I think inexperienced coaches are watching this and thinking those lifters are deliberately pulling the bar slowly from the floor and then ripping the crap out of it once it passes the knees.
This isn't what's happening.
These top international lifters are snatching and cleaning massive weights, more than most people in the world can even deadlift. Because of this, that first pull is simply going to look a little slower. When a 170 lb man cleans 450, the bar isn't going to fly off the floor like an empty broomstick. The initial part of the movement is going to be slower simply because the weight is so enormous. But those lifters are NOT thinking to themselves, "I need to go really slow at the beginning of this lift." Believe me, they're trying to build speed as quickly as possible.
When you watch their light warm-up attempts with 150 lbs or whatever, the first pull from the floor usually looks a little faster. But it's not insanely faster than their heavy record attempts because there's an overall rhythm of the movement that needs to be kept consistent.
In 25 years of competitive weightlifting, I've never heard a coach of any significant experience tell an athlete to pull the bar slowly from the floor. Now, there might be times with new lifters when the athlete is pulling the bar from the floor with so much speed that it's causing some other technique screw-ups (rounding of the back, lunging forward onto the toes, butt shooting straight up in the air, etc.) When this happens, I think the best feedback to use is something like "Keep your back tighter" or "Don't let your butt shoot straight up at the beginning," something like that. There might be a few rare cases where the words "slow down at the beginning" will be necessary, but I wouldn’t make a coaching practice out of it. I think most of these technique problems can be fixed by giving the athlete some other kind of feedback instead of "go slower." Generally, you don't want to tell a racehorse to stop acting like a racehorse.
When I started lifting, I was taught the rule, "You want to pull the bar as fast as possible from the floor while still maintaining proper balance and positions." And I was taught by some pretty successful weightlifting coaches. This is what I've always believed, and always will. Please read that rule carefully and consider the whole statement before you start to misinterpret what I’m saying. You don’t want to take complete beginners and tell them to start uncontrollably hauling ass. Proper movements have to be taught sensibly. But as the lifter develops, it’s a big mistake to teach deliberate slow pulling.
This is a speed sport, people. Many of you have had the experience when you went to your first big weightlifting meet, you watched the lifters in the warm-up room, and you just couldn’t believe how fast they were. Remember that? You’ll always see more explosiveness and acceleration in the finishing phase of the pull, but that doesn’t mean the initial phase should be slow. If you want to be a good lifter, you have to start generating speed as soon as the plates separate from the floor.
Speaking of top world-level lifters, here’s another way you could look at this. Many of the biggest weights in the history of the sport were lifted by the Bulgarian athletes of the 1980s. Most of you didn’t know that because the weight classes have been changed in weightlifting a couple of times over the last 20 years, and the old world records were erased when this happened. People are in awe (and they should be) of Lu Xiaojun currently clean and jerking 204 kilos (449 lbs) at 77 kilo bodyweight (170 lbs). But those of us from the old school remember Alexander Varbanov of Bulgaria hitting 215.5 kilos (474 lbs) at 75 bodyweight (165) back in 1987. The reason I’m mentioning this is because you can learn a lot about speed from watching those Bulgarians from the 80s. Get on YouTube and see if you can find old videos of guys like Varbanov, Asen Zlatev, Mikhail Petrov, Borislav Gidikov, etc. You’ll see what I mean.
This blog is actually going to be #1 in a three-part series about common technical errors I’m seeing all over the place. There are two other big ones I’ll address in the coming weeks. But if this speed issue applies to you, work on it. And if you’re teaching people to move slowly, you should consider some retooling of your methods.
Just a thought.
And, Brian: Trust me, the sprinters you see are moving as fast as they can out of the blocks. The initial steps of the drive phase may look "slow" but they are the most violent and explosive steps of their race. Remember, like a lifter's first pull, they're fighting Newton's First Law of Motion (Inertia).
Sounds bad for your back...
At least that was the response I got last time I got into it about pulling slow. Nice post Matt
(1) chidlovski(*dot*)net/liftup/l_athleteResult.asp?a_id=284
(2) youtu(*dot*)be/d8u6MM00_ig?t=22s
(3) youtu(*dot*)be/2QQ5U8vTZ1M?t=11s
It seems a poor comparison to make in this case.
Those are legit comments. First, I don't think I agree that the snatch is a more technique dependent movement than the clean. I think they're both equally technical. Second, I know Lu isn't slow. You can't clean 211 if you're slow. Third, he outsnatched Varbanov because...he's a better snatcher than Varbanov.
The point I was making is that the Bulgarian style of those days utilized maximum speed right from the beginning of the lift. When you watch the lifters I mentioned, it's pretty obvious that they're trying to accelerate as much as possible as soon as they initiate the movement. Some (not all) of the athletes from this era lifted weights that still haven't been surpassed, so their technical approach obviously has some merit.
The Bulgarian comparison isn't the center of my whole argument. It's just an additional thought about the matter. Plus, the main point is that none of the best lifters in the world, from any country or era, intentionally try to move slowly when they pull from the floor...at least not the kind of "slowly" I'm referring to.
Got it. I may have misinterpreted you as suggesting something like a dynamic pull.
I've also been getting a little frustrated with people online (basically exclusively westerners such as myself) being dismissive or critical of the Chinese and particularly Lu, as he's in the spotlight due to his success.
Might have come off a little strong, sorry bout that.
Looking forward to hearing more
If you weigh less than the competition you win by lifting the same weight.
However, I would say that it's a bit of a double edged sword, if you pull faster from the floor to the knee, then from the knee to the hip, you have some serious technical problems that you will need to address.
I'm sure you're aware of this, just to make others aware though.
It is the same idea with a barbell. It is about impulse (the physics term). A resultant force applied to a body changes that body's veolicity. A resultant force applied over a longer time therefore produces a bigger change in linear momentum than the same force applied briefly (this is straight from Wikipedia's entry on impulse). It is physics. Obviously you are not trying to pull extremely slow. The idea is to apply the force over a period of time sufficient to place the bar into optimal momentum.
Kendrick Farris and Ian Wilson (although much less) are examples of what ripping the weight off the floor looks like. They would be much more efficient if they started slower off the floor. Klokov and Liao Hui are examples of lifters that start off the floor and are much more efficient. And aruably the best Bulgarian lifter, Yurik Vardanian, also started slower off the floor. Those are lifters all in different weight categories and different body proportions. Yet they all maintain efficiency by following the rules of physics. "A resultant force applied over a longer time therefore produces a bigger change in linear momentum than the same force applied briefly."